Now although NephilimFree was one of the first people I subscribed to when joining YouTube and I've watched many of his videos, I've never felt the need to comment on anything he has posted, until today.
Before even getting through all ten minutes of his video I made a couple of comments...
Starting your video, NephilimFree, by quote mining invalidates the rest of your claim.
For everyone wondering the video was taken from Kent Hovind's "Debate #8 - Wayne State University" and if you watch the rest of what Dr. Moore was saying from that debate you will find out why the rest of what NephilimFree says is completely incorrect.
Sad attempt at deception NF!
And
A salamander and a Gila Monster are both lizards??? That is the first time I have ever heard anyone call a group of AMPHIBIANS, the Order Caudata, a reptile.
Your whole video seems to be nothing more than an argument from incredulity.
After watching the video all the way through I posted two more comments...
NephilimFree, you should really do some basic research before making a comment or video so you don't remove all doubt of your ignorance.
Point of Fact - Phylum Porifera existed in the Ediacaran and chemical markers push their existence back even older.
Phylum Placozoa dated to the Ediacarian with the fossil Dickinsonia as an example.
Phylum Cnidaria dates to at least the Ediacaran.
The origin of Phyla Annelida and/or Arthropoda can placed in the Ediacarian by Spriggina fossils.
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And
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Phylum Mollusca can be pushed back to the Ediacaran with the fossil Kimberella.
AND then comes the fact that MANY, to many to mention here, Phyla come into existence AFTER the Cambrian including most Phyla of plants.
So it is completely FALSE that "...all phylum (sic) and body plans of life came to be at once." in the Cambrian Explosion.
Also how is a KIND defined in a way that a taxonomist or evolutionary biologists could understand? What animals/plants are in the same kind??
I was hoping that NephilimFree would give his reasons for making such inaccurate statements for why he thinks that salamanders are LIZARDS and when Phyla are known to appear in the fossil record, but instead he blocked me from being able to make any further comments.
At the same time he made the following scientifically inaccurate assertions (my comments are in quotations)...
"Phylum Mollusca can be pushed back to the Ediacaran with the fossil Kimberella."
We do not observe new morphological feautes [sic] arise(ing?) in mollusk fossils.
"Phyla come into existence AFTER the Cambrian including most Phyla of plants"
None. All phylum [sic] and body plans appear in the Cambrian.
Firstly we do observe "...new morphological..." FEATURES arising in mollusca after the Cambrian with the best example being the most recent molluscan: The Class Scaphopoda did not exist until the Ordovician. Besides this, new morphological features show up in mollusca throughout their history as verified by anyone researching the evolutionary changes in molluscan Orders, Families, and Genera over time.
Secondly all, I will repeat that ALL, land plant Phyla do not come into existence until after the Cambrian with the first appearing in the Ordovician. The first vascular plants do not appear until the Silurian and the most recent Phyla, the Angiosperms, do not appear until over 350 million years after the Cambrian.
Next NephilimFree said...
"Also how is a KIND defined in a way that a taxonomist or evolutionary biologists could understand?"
The closest relation to evolutionist taxonomy is family, as I stated in so many words in the video.
"What animals/plants are in the same kind??"
Do your own homework.
According to NephilimFree a “creationist KIND” is defined as a taxonomic Family. Really??? Ok if that is true then according to NephilimFree Oranatanges, Gorillias, Chimpazees, and Humans (along with all extinct homonids like Australopithecenes) are the same KIND since they all fall within the Taxonomic Family of Hominidae.
Thank you, NephilimFree, for admitting that Humans are Great Apes, now I hope you will retract the statements in your video that deny this.
I've done my homework, now do your own.
What next...
"you should really do some basic research before making a comment or video so you don't remove all doubt of your ignorance."
I know more about evolutiosm [sic] than you do obviously, since you think phylum [sic] arose after the Cambrian.
"Phylum Placozoa dated to the Ediacarian"
Radiometric dating uses a material of presumed age as the control for calibration. It is not capable of dating anything.
Since I've already proven that many Phyla postdate the Cambrian period I will skip to your a comment by you that negates EVERYTHING you have to say about the occurrence of when new morphological adaptations occur.
If you, NephilimFree, claim that radiometric dating is "...not capable of dating anything." then I don't know how you can even begin to claim that "All phylum [sic] and body plans appear in the Cambrian." since to claim this you have to rely upon radiometric dating. I guess you cannot make any claims about the ages of fossils, the origins of new morphologies, or ANYTHING relating to the geological ages of anything.
Let's continue...
"by quote mining invalidates the rest of your claim"
I quote a scientist and that invalidates something? You are totally lost in space.
Not surprising. You're an evo!
"and if you watch the rest of what Dr. Moore was saying from that debate you will find out why the rest of what NephilimFree says is completely incorrect"
Moore is as lost as you are.
You, NephilimFree, did not quote Dr. William Moore, instead you mined the beginning of a rhetorical statement in a debate and showed this in your video out of context as an introduction to your entire argument and everything you said afterwards. Your intellectual dishonesty for not posting ALL of Dr. Moore's definition/commentary on how speciation is defined in biology negates everything you claim in the rest of your video.
Since NephilimFree does not want Dr. Moore to define speciation then I suggest that everyone watches the debate. It can be found on YouTube in sections and the entire debate can also be downloaded from various sources online.
What one will find is that species, according to science, are defined in different ways and one must understand these definitions before making an agrument either for or against speciation or if speciation has occured. Since NephilimFree does not address the different definitions or any known instances of speciation then we cannot rely on his statements that it does not occur.
Next comes my favorite responce by N.F. about a statement he made in his video. Between 5:53 and 6:05 he said...
Take for example, uh, a Gila Monster and a salamander, are they the same kind? Well certainly not. They're both LIZARDS of a different kind.I found this statement so ignorant of reality I had to ask N.F. if he really thought this was true.
"A salamander and a Gila Monster are both lizards???"
National Geographic:
ht tp : // animals . nationalgeographic . com / animals / reptiles / gila-monster . h t m l
"the venomous Gila monster (pronounced HEE-luh) is the largest lizard native to the United States."
Totally lost are we?
NephilimFree is again claiming that SALAMANDERS ARE LIZARDS.
As you can see from my comment above I said "That is the first time I have ever heard anyone call a group of AMPHIBIANS, the Order Caudata, a reptile." but instead of correcting his mistake (did you even look up Caudata NephilimFree???) or admitting that he was wrong NephilimFree gives a link about a Gila Monster.
Well to answer your rhetorical question: Yes, I think you are lost.
Caudata are an Amphibian (not Reptile, like Lizards) taxonomic Order that includes all Salamander species.
Evolutionists never cease to amaze me with thier ignorance. That's why I issued my challenge to them.
ScientiaPerceptum, you would serve yourself well to take that challenge. You would not make a goon of yourself so much if you actualy understood evolution theory and the evidences which destroy is [sic] so thoroughly.
Well NephilimFree apparently I cannot take your challenge and prove that the ignorance, about the scientific reality of Evolutionary Biology, is yours when you block me from posting any further comments on your videos.
What are you so afraid of me saying? If you allowed me, someone with an undergrad in Evolutionary Biology, to reply to your claims are you afraid that your subscribers would learn the extent of your ignorance of the facts that make up the Scientific theory of Biological Evolution or do are you afraid that you would have to apologize for your incredulous and inaccurate statements???
At this point, you, NephilimFree, have proven that like almost all creationists that your only evidence for the pseudoscience that you spew is censorship of the scientific reality.
S.P.
3 comments:
Nice one! This is just one of the many examples of him being wrong. I called him out on his bullcrap about the whale pelvis being vestigial to hind legs. He says the pelvis is NOT vestigial because a Dutch whale expert wrote a book in 1958 saying the pelvis is for holding the whales reproductive organs in place. When I said that vestigial does not mean that it has NO function but instead lost it's original function; he replied something like this (he deleted his response): The pelvis is not vestigial because it holds the whales reproductive organ. It has a function.
Completely ignoring what I just said. Failing to understand what a pelvis is originally for.
He also states that inactive genes don't exist....his proof: None, he's just saying it like it is true.
After that my brains started to hurt and couldn't deal with the ignorance anymore.
Another one of these creationist screw-ups is GEERUP..but you've probably heard of him before.
Cheers
If Neph's argument is so strong... why does he continue to block people who make legitimate arguments... why did he remove my comment after he asked me for bible and verse that HE didn't know? When I provided them he removed my comment as if I never answered then blocked me... is he really that much of a coward?
Great post, friend. I was in a similar boat as yourself - I watched many of his videos before deciding to post on his video about the grand canyon and its formation. I posed a simple query on his rationale on how a flood 'created' it in a single go. He promptly responded and blocked me.
If not for his undying belief that science is out to deceive everyone, the Earth is the center of the universe and that everyone else who disagrees with him is evil, I honestly think this man would snap and be put in a mental institution. It's quite sad, honestly...
Anywho, if you want to join the club on Facebook, look up "Skeptics Blocked by NephilimFree" - it's a fun time!
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